• Carp rods
    For lifting lightweight cameras a £20 fibreglass pole is not necessarily a bad choice.
    November 2008, I bought an 11 metre carbon pole (£80) and an 8 metre fibreglass pole (c. £15-£20). Both are put-over / take-apart poles. The carbon pole is very stiff and the fibreglass pole a little floppy. I use a simple rig (hopefully pictured below) a few variants of the same basic design. I've not used the carbon pole much in recent years because I keep having problems with it splitting even using lightweight cameras (Canon Ixus).
    PAP rig [2]
    I found that carrying the longer carbon pole on my rucksack was a bit of a pain with it moving around as it could only be secured in the lower half of its collapsed length. I might be out walking with pole and kite all day photographing archaeological sites.
    For carrying on a rucksack the shorter fibreglass pole works much better, and is easier to find a place for it in the car.
    I have never had a pole catastrophically split, Soon after purchase I split the lowest section of the carbon pole later it developed some splits around the middle section, it is still usable with great care. I've a few splits in the lower section of the fibreglass pole but it is still usable.
    I think that my biggest problem with splitting is down to bad technique of lifting the camera into the air and bringing it back down again.
    You can just lift the camera into the air holding the fat lowest section - its can be quite quick but seems to put a lot of strain on the pole and you can feel a lot of leverage. You can assemble the pole vertically lifting the camera as you go, its very easily to damage the joints when the heavy part moves.
    I find the best way is to assemble the pole on the ground then put the camera on the end, park/position the fat lower end against something to stop it moving/pushing away. Then from the camera slowly walk back to the lower end lifting the pole as you go and the same in reverse to bring the pole back down again.
    On the fibreglass pole I now use a Canon S110, Canon G1x, Panasonic GX1 (micro four thirds) with 14mm lens and video transmitter.
    Recently (June 2019) I bought a new 8m fibreglass pole (NGT Ambassador) from a seller on ebay UK for £20 delivered, which gives me 6.5m height from the ground. it is a bit stiffer (good) than Grandeslam Energie and seems to work fine at the moment.
    Ron Thompson Muscle Zone. 11m carbon. 9.3m maximum camera height, 1.62m collapsed length. 1060g
    Grandeslam Energie. 8m fibreglass. 6.6m maximum camera height. 1.17m collapsed length. 925g
    NGT Ambassador. 8m fibreglass. 6.5m maximum camera height. 1.15m collapsed length. 960g
  • Rig for controlling camera tilt
    Paul, I did read Peter's post in my carp pole thread. Peter was discussing different types of poles suitable for PAP. There was no mention of control systems for manipulating camera tilt in that particular post. I also looked at the linked website and saw more information about poles. I might have to explore the site further to see if there are control systems on the website as well.
    Dave, I didn't see your post until now. You must have posted close to the same time that I did. The ready made pan and tilt units are too expensive for me. I want to do things the cheap way. However, as Ive stated before, I know almost nothing about electronics. That link you provided with details about the programming and the circuit board looked pretty complex and technical. I admit that much of it went over my head. The procedure to acquire remote tilt looked somewhat simpler in that video I posted above but there are still a few things with that one that I'm not clear about. Like binding the equipment to the transmitter so that they talk to each other. Would the method shown in the video still be relatively cheapish? I don't know if they're using a high end transmitter in that clip - it looks similar to the ones used with some rc quadcopters.
    Though I do see a potential dilemma if I use that option (demonstrated in the video) in conjunction with the wifi on the M4/3 camera. There is a fair chance that the transmitter might use 2.4GHz which is the same frequency that wifi uses. If that's the case, there could be a small chance of interference. If I'm in a situation where I get lack of control on the tilt because of that interference, there's probably one thing I can do. And that is look at the camera view on the tablet screen and try and determine how much tilt it needs. Then temporarily turn off the tablet (shutting off the wifi connection) and then input the approximate amount of tilt that I think I need on the transmitter (while being blind with no picture) and then turn the tablet back on and see if everything is back to normal.
    With regards to building a rig, I don't have access to a 3D printer but I could use wood instead - like they did in the video I posted.
  • Rig for controlling camera tilt
    I must have missed Peter's post. Is there a link somewhere? And yes, this is in relation to the pole. In addition to a battery box, servo and wired servo controller, I guess I'd need a remote control as well?
    Is it similar to this setup?
    I'll have to check out Click Pan Pro as well. Though I don't really need to automate everything. All I want is to be able to control the camera tilt remotely. That's all. My Panasonic G6 has a wifi function apparently and that should allow me to view what the camera is seeing and change settings and take a photo with the appropriate app on my Samsung tablet.
    Yea lowering the camera and pole and then manually adjusting the tilt is doable but that would be a nuisance if I had to do that a number of times just to get my desired composition. It would be up and down, up and down, up and down etc. Obviously, if you were supporting the pole by hand, you could just tilt the whole thing back and forth but my plan is to attach the pole to a tripod so it will be in a fixed position.
    Regardless of what equipment I use, I need something that will support the weight of my Panasonic G6 and Samyang 12mm f2 lens. Ive noticed some ready-made pan and tilt units on eBay for affordable prices but looks like they can only accept phones and ultra light weight cameras. The ones designed for heavier cameras are way too pricey for me.
  • Rig for controlling camera tilt
    The key question is how much are you prepared to spend? There are fancy tilt rigs for cameras (like this one) if you have the money. On the other hand you can build one yourself for less than £30 if you are prepared to do a bit of soldering and have access to a 3D printer (see the PAP rig here and here. As Paul says, Peter at KAPSHOP sells rig kits that will do the job.
    What country are you in?
  • Carp rods
    For the PhotoMop project I've tested lots of poles. And for heavier cameras carp poles are useless, even dangerous.
    For PAP I've found window washer poles to be the best but not all of them as some have good and user-friendly clamps.
    Please take a look here: http://www.kapshop.com/Lifters-Pole/Mast/c75_36/index.html
  • Simon Harbord
    This is sad news, indeed. I had the good fortune of meeting Simon in person at KAPiCA '06. We we already friends, though, through this forum and Flickr. He had a gift for reducing KAP problems to their simplest solutions. I learned so much from him. It's his voice in my head that gently admonishes me for overcomplicating things.
    Another memory of Simon: he loved to advocate Dan Leigh's delta kites. At KAPiCA 2016, I finally saw one in person when Pierre Lesage let my camera ride on his. Afterward I started sewing one of my own but set it aside before it was finished. Perhaps one of these days I'll get it flying. I know Simon would tell me I should.
  • Carp rods
    Came across a telescopic aluminium pole that extends a little over 7 meters. Supposedly, the diameter is 55mm but I'm not sure if that refers to the top or bottom section. Regardless, it's five sections and they all look very close in diameter (extremely thick looking overall.) And my Panasonic G6 combined with Samyang 12mm lens weighs about 635 grams. You reckon a pole diameter of around 55mm or thereabouts would be enough to support that kind of weight near the top?
  • Carp rods
    Paul oh yes, I learned that lesson when I attached my Panasonic G2 M4/3 camera to my last fibreglass pole which had a maximum extension of about 7 meters. Not much of an issue when adding a GoPro. Though when I added the G2, it was a real struggle to raise it from horizontal to vertical.
    Dave, I wasn't fully aware that carp poles had to be assembled piece by piece. And yea horizontal assembly or extension can be a nuisance sometimes depending on the environment. Though that's impressive that it can handle your 500 gram rig. I believe my Panasonic G6 and Samyang 12mm lens together weigh a bit over 600 grams.
  • Simon Harbord
    Oh, this is truly sad news. I followed Simon's progress from his articles in KAPWA journals and then met him at FLIBB 2000, again at KAPiCA 02 and 06. He was a terrific person and a great innovative kite and KAP advocate.
  • Simon Harbord

    (Lyn Fletcher asked that I post this to the discussion page on her behalf)
    Dear All (Cris Benton & the KAP Community),
    As a non-member of KAP ( & never likely to be!), I just wanted to express
    my gratitude to you all for the many positive & heartfelt tributes made in
    Simons memory. He was such an active participant in your group & would have
    spent many evenings in discussions with yourselves. Thanks especially to
    fellow Scot James Gentles who has been a good friend & source of information
    & support during this difficult time.
    Simon was taken far too soon & still had so much to give. He loved a
    challenge & finding ways to meet it by way of his unique approach! I think
    you were kind of kindred spirits.
    It was actually through KAP that I met Simon back in 2003 when I chanced to
    read his blog during an investigation into the history of a local ruined
    castle. This led to email contact before meeting him in person. (An early
    internet date?! ) Surprisingly, it also turned out that we lived very near to
    each other in the same village but had different careers & might never have
    met otherwise.
    Anyway, that seems long ago but still fresh in my mind. Those who knew him
    will have their own special memories too. Thanks to KAP I have spent the
    last 16 years with a very special man & I will so miss him. His daughter,
    Carly & grandson Finley also took part in many kite adventures along the way
    & Finley will inherit a few kites too.
    With grateful thanks
    Lyn Fletcher
  • KAP Alert Puerto Rico - Old San Juan
    I am going to be working in Puerto Rico for the next 10 days or so.
    Hope to do some KAP on Tuesday (late PM) July 30 and on Sat -Sun August 3-4, 2019.
    Expect most sessions to be in or around Old San Juan.
    All are welcome to join in the fun.
  • KAPiFANØ 2020
    Hi to all,
    Fanø 2020 is for me a dream; for work I was twice on the coast in front to Fanø .... my first book about kites was Wolfgang Schimmelpfennig drachen...
    Komikite with good intentions to come: very good news !!! Istvan is a good friend, nice and kind and great KAPer producing for quantity and quality 10 times more than my activity....
    my RICOH GR comes from a comment from Pierre Lesage....
    OK OK if all the stars are arranged in position GO a plan to come is necessary
    SMAC from Italy
  • Prehistoric landscape - explored with a kite
    More amateur kite aerial archaeology :-)
    We visited a fascinating archaeological site in southwestern Slovenia - with our kites and cameras, of course - to see if anything else hides among and beneath an artificial landscape, full of cairns and ancient walls and barrows and mounds, created thousands and thousands of years ago, in Eneolithic and early Bronze Age ...
    And maybe it does! Check the full report on our KAP website, and here are some kite aerial photos and images from a most interesting KAP session ...
    Undulating landscape of the site:
    NDVI gradient map - normalized difference vegetation index, computed from two kite aerial photos, one infrared and one visual, superimposed on a orthophoto of the area. Some structures are clearly visible:
    An animated gif - orthophoto, LIDAR and NDVI of the site:
    An annotated NDVI gradient map superimposed on a LIDAR scan of the area:
    One of many 720 nm infrared kite aerial photos, from which NDVI was computed:
    Thanks for watching! ;-)
  • Dumb KAP Mistakes
    Still making dumb mistakes...
    Combined with failed equipment....
    Been doing a fair bit of sailing with my Hobie TI (sailing kayak) and taking the KAP gear along...
    Recent adventure included a push into the Atlantic Ocean and shifting shoal island....
    Got the kite up quickly only to be chased to lower altitude when the slow tow airplanes showed up towing ad banners...
    Managed to get the kite (Levitation light with DS) stable and pulled up my dual camera auto KAP rig. GoPro Hero 4 fired up. Sony A6000 followed and up into the sky.
    When pulling down the KAP rig about 15 minutes later I noticed the pan servo gear had popped up and was not panning the KAP rig.. ;-(
    Upon review of the photos....GoPro did fine.....Sony - manual focus was off....all shots were blurry - camera go bumped or just bad focus at the start of the KAP session.....
    Will have to try again...
    See a few shots below and in this flickr album
    Above Champagne Island and Hereford Inlet
    Above Champagne Island Hereford Inlet Atlantic Ocean
  • Berck kite festival 2020 th Edition
    Fond memories of my last visit to Berck. Hope to make it in 2020!
  • KAPiFANØ 2020
    Thanks for pulling this together.
    I will make every effort to make it to Fano2020.
  • Simon Harbord
    Hy James,
    I upload a zip with pictures ok both KAPiFrance 2005 and 2013 via Wetransfer.
    You'll be noticed at infoATgentles.ltd.uk
    Not necessary great pictures but great souvenirs.
  • Simon Harbord
    I have been asked by Lyn to provide a slideshow of Simon and KAP for the Funeral on Wednesday 17th. Please post any links to your favourite flickr or other images here, or email me, in the next 24hours, THANKS James
  • Simon Harbord
    A so sad news.
    I first met Simon in KAPiFrance 2005. I was a baby kaper and he offered me one of his Aurokap rig, just made under my eyes.
    Simon was one of some people more than important in the KAP history. His inventivity and his kind manner to talk with other were remarkables.
    Last time we met, it was in Labruguière during KAPiFrance125, we talk about Collodion and old photographic processes. He became a master here too.
    And I have thoughts for Lyn and everryone who loved him.
    Good bye fellow Simon.
    PS : Pierre had opened a subject on the French Kap forum (http://photocerfvolant.free.fr/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6620).
  • Simon Harbord
    a few more images of Simon
    image image
    A demonstration of Pole Aerial Photography at KapiCA 2006
    Heidy, Lyn and Simon

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